What happened to the DVD Commentary?
Aug. 10th, 2025 10:10 amRemember the "DVD commentaries" that fanfic writers used to do? They were often fun and I wonder why they've almost died out. Maybe as DVDs are very nearly a thing of the past?
If you haven't seen one, it's where a fanfic author, a while after posting a fic, posts a version of the fic with their comments interleaved - about why they wrote particular lines that way or what they wanted to convey about the characters or situation, or what inspired a particular section. Kind of like a self-meta discussion interwoven with their story. It's interesting, and useful to see the writer's process or thoughts with concrete examples. Here's an excerpt from Synecdochic's commentary on Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Lose (SGA), to show what they're like.
SGC finally stops calling him by December. Rodney celebrates by writing a final exam for his relativity class so difficult that it reduces four students to tears in the exam hall. Upon reflection, he decides to be merciful and offer partial credit.
(Commentary) This, to me, was where the story started to turn. I hadn't at all realized that I'd been building up all these little details of an ordinary life, hinting at all the major changes that would lead to it, until I caught myself typing that first sentence. At the time I didn't know where it was going, or why Rodney had cut ties with the SGC so completely and thorougly; I just knew that he had.
A lot of this story worked like that for me. I tend to write in a very linear fashion -- I have the starting image and I know where I want to get it, but the entire middle is this vague unsurmounted wasteland, until I get there and the story tells me where it wants to be going. This is a perfect example of how that works, because I was putting in semi-ominous hints and foreshadowing before I had any idea where it was leading
Here's another entertaining example: Gozer's DVD commentary on LtLJ's Raiders of the Seven Systems - also SGA. This one was written and posted with LtLJ's permission - doing these commentaries on other peoples' stories was encouraged by specific challenges at the time, but it was a bit more common overall for authors to do a DVD commentary on their own work, sharing their internal processes while writing, and their reactions. In the comments of this example by minxy on a Janet Fraiser-centric SG1 story there are links to other DVD commentaries, and to this list - it's old though, so many of the LJs with these commentaries have gone.
One thing I noticed was in a DVD commentary on Hindsight, where Rageprufrock mentions having gotten critical comments after posting the fic - about characterisation or other details - and sometimes explains these choices. That brought home how much fandom etiquette's progressed in the last 20 years (in fan-spaces where I play, anyway) so it's now not OK to criticise a writer's posted work unless they specifically request it - and mostly not then. A DVD commentary done by someone not the author these days would need to be reactions to the story, speculations about where it's going, and positive comments - which is what they generally were, back in the day. I think I've only ever seen an actual author comment negatively on their writing in retrospect, but I haven't read a lot of them.
Actually, there's one place where this style of commentary still happens - in podfic. It's not uncommon for podficcers to make a podfic with their readers notes and chatty reactions to the fic interwoven through the recording - and it's often part of the annual Voiceteam challenge. Kisahawklin both recorded and transcribed an Untamed RPF story containing a lot of commentary and chat. There's quite a history of this - e.g. general_jinjur's DVD commentary on their reading of Your Cowboy Days Are Over by M. - although this is an interleaved written commentary, not a podfic recording that includes commentary. Here's a sample:
Returning to fic again, I guess the fanfic DVD commentary was a thing of its time as there haven't been any posted to AO3 since 2011 - the recent ones are all podfic commentaries, and a few works tagged as commentary because of an author's start or end-note. Here, I'm talking about the older style of (almost) line-by-line, interwoven fic and commentary. I find these old commentaries interesting when they're in one of my fandoms. It's especially fascinating to see the thoughts, inspirations and processes that happened for the author, as they react to their own fic.
Have you ever made a DVD commentary of your own or someone else's fic? Know one that you like, and can link to? Do you think we could revisit the DVD commentary as a way to reflect on our writing, or would it be seen as too self-indulgent and a thing of the past?
If you haven't seen one, it's where a fanfic author, a while after posting a fic, posts a version of the fic with their comments interleaved - about why they wrote particular lines that way or what they wanted to convey about the characters or situation, or what inspired a particular section. Kind of like a self-meta discussion interwoven with their story. It's interesting, and useful to see the writer's process or thoughts with concrete examples. Here's an excerpt from Synecdochic's commentary on Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Lose (SGA), to show what they're like.
SGC finally stops calling him by December. Rodney celebrates by writing a final exam for his relativity class so difficult that it reduces four students to tears in the exam hall. Upon reflection, he decides to be merciful and offer partial credit.
(Commentary) This, to me, was where the story started to turn. I hadn't at all realized that I'd been building up all these little details of an ordinary life, hinting at all the major changes that would lead to it, until I caught myself typing that first sentence. At the time I didn't know where it was going, or why Rodney had cut ties with the SGC so completely and thorougly; I just knew that he had.
A lot of this story worked like that for me. I tend to write in a very linear fashion -- I have the starting image and I know where I want to get it, but the entire middle is this vague unsurmounted wasteland, until I get there and the story tells me where it wants to be going. This is a perfect example of how that works, because I was putting in semi-ominous hints and foreshadowing before I had any idea where it was leading
One thing I noticed was in a DVD commentary on Hindsight, where Rageprufrock mentions having gotten critical comments after posting the fic - about characterisation or other details - and sometimes explains these choices. That brought home how much fandom etiquette's progressed in the last 20 years (in fan-spaces where I play, anyway) so it's now not OK to criticise a writer's posted work unless they specifically request it - and mostly not then. A DVD commentary done by someone not the author these days would need to be reactions to the story, speculations about where it's going, and positive comments - which is what they generally were, back in the day. I think I've only ever seen an actual author comment negatively on their writing in retrospect, but I haven't read a lot of them.
Actually, there's one place where this style of commentary still happens - in podfic. It's not uncommon for podficcers to make a podfic with their readers notes and chatty reactions to the fic interwoven through the recording - and it's often part of the annual Voiceteam challenge. Kisahawklin both recorded and transcribed an Untamed RPF story containing a lot of commentary and chat. There's quite a history of this - e.g. general_jinjur's DVD commentary on their reading of Your Cowboy Days Are Over by M. - although this is an interleaved written commentary, not a podfic recording that includes commentary. Here's a sample:
At the first knock his body snaps to alertness, and he drops Teyla's shirt in the sink. The peephole doesn't reveal much more than a short shadow standing in the corridor. John drilled the hole himself, but the door's skin-steel keeps trying to heal over it. (Commentary) Nice juxtaposition of high-tech and squalor, again.
Returning to fic again, I guess the fanfic DVD commentary was a thing of its time as there haven't been any posted to AO3 since 2011 - the recent ones are all podfic commentaries, and a few works tagged as commentary because of an author's start or end-note. Here, I'm talking about the older style of (almost) line-by-line, interwoven fic and commentary. I find these old commentaries interesting when they're in one of my fandoms. It's especially fascinating to see the thoughts, inspirations and processes that happened for the author, as they react to their own fic.
Have you ever made a DVD commentary of your own or someone else's fic? Know one that you like, and can link to? Do you think we could revisit the DVD commentary as a way to reflect on our writing, or would it be seen as too self-indulgent and a thing of the past?
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Date: 2025-08-09 11:47 pm (UTC)I…never actually knew of these to be much of a prolific thing in ficdom, funnily enough (for as much as it may show my youth to admit)—that being said, this sort of authorial insight/self-analysis is absolutely right up my alley to get such an intricate look into!
…Not that I ever see myself being in the business of offering such up, unfortunately; as per my whole self-enforced ‘authorial suicide’ shtick, I’m very much opposed to publicly ‘defining’ my own work beyond whatever ideas may have informed it, so I can’t imagine what I’d even be able to offer with a line-by-line breakdown beyond “I like this sentence a lot.” and “Picking out this turn of phrase was a pain.”
Though, I suppose seeing my stuff be so thoroughly commentated by someone else is another artistic dream of mine now…
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Date: 2025-08-10 01:14 am (UTC)An exchange challenge where writers did commentaries on each other's works would be interesting to take part in, as long as the rules were that the commentary focus had to be meta discussion and positive reactions, not critical.
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Date: 2025-08-09 11:54 pm (UTC)I really enjoy reading commentaries -- I like how they combine writing advice/techniques/theory with concrete examples of same. I don't think it's self-indulgent, but as an intuitive discovery writer with a terrible memory, I rarely have much to say about my first drafts. It's probably more interesting for me to talk about the rewriting.
Back when I first got into Due South, my beta and I wrote a combined commentary for one of my first fics: Hearts and Flowers (commentary). (Thanks for the excuse to revisit it! ;-)
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Date: 2025-08-10 12:37 am (UTC)I don’t write like we’re supposed to (shitty first drafts) - I revise and self-beta as I go (linearly) through a fic. Then a final betaing and revision, usually more of a fine-tuning, at the end. So if I were to do a commentary it’d be after the fic was finished, and it’d have to be soon after, or I’d have forgotten what I was thinking and trying to do!
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Date: 2025-08-09 11:57 pm (UTC)Score: Q to 12; DVD commentary.
Telling the Bees; endnotes and commentary.
Selected Letters of Abraham and Fanny Glassman; endnotes in final chapter, commentary on DW.
A Handsome and Generous People; Tour of the Canon References
And I've more than just those. The main reason I've never posted them to AO3 is I've never known how to organize them. As an additional chapter? As a second work in a series with the first? I don't want people who are content with a story to feel that they have to read a commentary if they don't choose to -- or even that the commentary is recommended!
ETA: How could I forget? I wrote 10K words of commentary for one of my vids: Something Good (Will Come From That).
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Date: 2025-08-10 12:28 am (UTC)You could post the commentary to AO3 separately, with an “inspired by” link to the fic. I don’t think people feel that they have to follow “inspired by” links. But it’d be there if anyone was curious, esp. if you titled it as a commentary on the fic.
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Date: 2025-08-10 12:35 am (UTC)I was never able to do a full DVD commentary, though I occasionally tried, because I simply don't have that much to say about every line in a fic. I think that the DVD commentary style might work better for writers who make more deliberate creative choices on a line-by-line than I do. I just felt like I was repeating myself a lot.
But checking out my own fic commentary tag, I found that a while back (ten years ago or so) there was a meme going around to ask readers to pick a specific scene from a fic and write a DVD commentary of that, and it looks like I did a few of those. (Details at my fic commentary tag.) In fact this makes me think that it might be time for another round of that; I had a good time doing it!
And I also agree that it might be neat to see someone else do a commentary on one of mine! I didn't realize that was even a thing, and also this:
That brought home how much fandom etiquette's progressed in the last 20 years (in fan-spaces where I play, anyway) so it's now not OK to criticise a writer's posted work unless they specifically request it
Maybe this is time fading recollection, but it wasn't really my experience that it was ever considered that acceptable, just that people used to do it; but "no unsolicited concrit" was definitely a fairly widespread thing to have strong feelings about, as far back as I can remember. Although this probably does vary between different fandom social circles.
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Date: 2025-08-10 12:45 am (UTC)but "no unsolicited concrit" was definitely a fairly widespread thing to have strong feelings about, as far back as I can remember.
Yes, agreed! *is still haunted by the one time, fresh out of creative writing classes and new to fandom, I sent unsolicited concrit on a fanfic and only realised the inappropriateness/hurtfulness too late* /o\
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Date: 2025-08-10 01:05 am (UTC)I think that constructive criticism was different when it was paper letters to zine publishers, than when it was one-on-one emails about things posted to listservs, than when it became publicly visible comments that just stay there in public permanently, and I think that the "DVD commentaries" era was at the trailing edge of that last transition. I wish there were more opportunity for truly constructive and skill-building reactions today; I would benefit from them, I know; yet I also truly don't want to hurt anyone's feelings (or be unconstructively hit, myself, or just show myself to be silly and touchy...).
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Date: 2025-08-10 01:31 am (UTC)I think the main place for in-depth constructive criticism these days is from beta-readers, in private, or at least that's the type of beta feedback I prefer, rather than squeeing. You have to couch it very carefully as a beta though, so as not to be negative - a delicate balance!
Or I guess people expect more in-depth criticism at writers' workshops? I haven't been to any so don't know.
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Date: 2025-08-10 01:18 am (UTC)That said, it is a layer of transformation upon layer of transformation, and that is something I can enjoy when I do run into them in the wild.
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Date: 2025-08-10 01:37 am (UTC)And yes, the layers of transformation thing - I enjoy that a lot, like, a commentary on a remix discussing the differences to the original and the choices made in the remix would be interesting.
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Date: 2025-08-10 01:53 am (UTC)I found a few more recent old-style DVD commentaries by searching for "DVD Commentary Challenge", and also "DVD Commentary" within the general "Commentary" tag. There really aren't many, though. These more recent ones looked interesting:
[DVD Commentary] The Bounty of Our Days (The Untamed)
DVD Commentary for Meatball Surgery Shouldn't Be Green (Star Trek: The Original Series (Movies) /MASH (TV))
Blessed are the Chosen [DVD Commentary] (Men's Hockey RPF)
I have seen the occasional Tumblr ask go around for offering mini-DVD commentary, but again, not often.
I have a Dreamwidth dvdcommentary tag for the ones I wrote back in the day, the most recent of them from 2010. The last time I wrote an old-style DVD commentary was in 2022, but I didn't finish it because I didn't think anyone in that fandom would be interested. I might go back and finish it for completeness. I think it'd be hard for me to write commentaries for my older fics now (definitely ones before 2016) because I'm so far removed from them.
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Date: 2025-08-10 04:29 am (UTC)And yes, agree - I'd need to do a commentary soon after (or while) finishing a fic, or I'd forget what I was on about.
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Date: 2025-08-10 02:15 am (UTC)I do sort of feel like there would be less audience for them these days, but on the other hand I don't really know how much audience there was for them back in the day, though I do remember reading some.
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Date: 2025-08-10 04:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2025-08-10 02:28 am (UTC)I do get meta and chat about my own processes in writing a fic. Not in a line-by-line kind of way like this though. I keep it to my journal and not AO3 though. (Not sure what that would like on AO3. A big long End Note? I don't want to do that, personally.) A lot is for my own self-reflection.
I do sometimes make commentary on specific lines in other people's fics, always meant very positively.
I enjoy reading about other people's thoughts and processes so I could see myself enjoying reading DVD commentary style if it were a thing again.
Do you think we could revisit the DVD commentary as a way to reflect on our writing, or would it be seen as too self-indulgent and a thing of the past?
If someone enjoys doing this, I hope they go for it and don't hold back from that enjoyment because of a concern about some other people being weird and judgmental about it.
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Date: 2025-08-10 04:37 am (UTC)I think you could do it as a separate post with an "inspired by" link. Then it wouldn't impinge on the work itself, and readers could follow the link or not, as they chose.
If someone enjoys doing this, I hope they go for it and don't hold back from that enjoyment because of a concern about some other people being weird and judgmental about it.
Yes, the point is to have fun with this stuff, after all!
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Date: 2025-08-10 03:26 am (UTC)But that's me and if other people enjoy the process from either side, cool.
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Date: 2025-08-10 04:45 am (UTC)I agree with others here that fandom in general does seem less interactive than it used to be. I remember seeing comments sections on fics that were full of discussion and meta-commentary, and these days it seems like if there are comments at all, they tend to be along the lines of general squeeing and excitement and maybe the occasional reader sharing their own thoughts in a line-by-line way. Much less the kind of running conversation with the author and asking questions about the work that I used to enjoy reading. I appreciate the enthusiasm and positivity of the comments that do exist now, but I really miss the depth of discussion I remember from before.
I didn't actually get started posting my own fic until the last couple of years, and I'm frequently sad that I kind of missed out on the more engaged fandom culture that used to be more prevalent. I lurked too long!
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Date: 2025-08-10 05:29 am (UTC)Yes, me too. For me it's also as I'm in a couple of older fandoms - still going strong, but there aren't the numbers of fans there used to be.
LJ is where I remember the most discussion in comments. There might be some in discords, but unfortunately those are siloed away. But I do think DW has finally properly replaced LJ, so we might be able to get more discussions going here.
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Date: 2025-08-10 09:37 am (UTC)More recently with a fanfic, somebody did say they thought my romance development was perhaps too fast, after Crowley and Bobby Singer were only together about six weeks, but it was very polite. Also that a quote from the show was chronologically inaccurate, but I'd done it on purpose there. So I made the AU tags clearer.
I'm not sure how this weaving comments in thing would work; I wouldn't do it on A03, though would be fine if people wanted to ask me stuff.
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Date: 2025-08-10 10:55 am (UTC)And MZB hasn't a leg to stand on, with all the revelations about her that came out later!
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Date: 2025-08-10 11:53 am (UTC)The DVD commentary format for talking about fic appears too bloated for me and less conducive for talking about two related portions of a story that are located far apart. I prefer presenting commentary on my writing like a video essay highlighting the distinctive parts of the story rather than taking someone else through the story from start to finish.
My commentaries largely remain in my diary since the fics they're about don't have much of an audience to begin with. I had shared bits of my process before, only to get lukewarm responses and at times none at all, which gave me demoralizing thoughts of my writing not being as impressive and valuable as I thought. Since then, I've become more hesitant about sharing posts that point to my works as worth paying attention to.
On that cynical note, I suspect that the decline of fic commentaries can be explained by fan authors preferring not to take writing fanfic seriously and see discussion about craft and techniques as more appropriate for an academic setting. In the fandoms I've been in, some fans give the impression of not seeing writing itself as difficult, and that the main obstacle to finishing their stories is simply having limited time and energy. There's less support overall for learning from other authors and stories as well as sharing insights gained through completing a challenging writing project.
Along with these salty thoughts, I also want to share yourlibrarian's meta on commentaries which started a similar discussion with more examples of commentaries posted on AO3.
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Date: 2025-08-12 12:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2025-08-10 01:22 pm (UTC)In the A/N at the very end of the fic I added two downloadable formatted PDFs: one for the fic and one for the companion reader, so people could have them open side by side while reading. I have one reader (and beloved faithful commenter!) who is hand-binding copies of them both for their personal use, and I can't wait to see the end results.
I really enjoy this kind of thing, especially when I'm reading a longfic. But, while writing one, I also tend to enjoy fleshing out some of my worldbuilding and other thoughts on the story in response to my commenters.
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Date: 2025-08-12 01:00 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2025-08-10 05:11 pm (UTC)mostly obscure. The one fic I think people
might care about it for is Festering Wounds, Hurting Souls, Loving Hearts, but even then I’m not sure.
I haven’t read any but I would be interested in reading a select few for stories I really loved.
I do like reading entries where people briefly talk about their fic and I do some here on dreamwidth
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Date: 2025-08-12 01:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2025-08-10 09:49 pm (UTC)The code I used (remove spaces) is < details >< summary >Author's Note</ summary >< note ></ note ></ details > and I've also used it in AO3 author's notes, so it would probably work to do this on AO3 too!
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Date: 2025-08-11 12:05 am (UTC)Anyhoo, some background: due to a lot of familial/parental/personal shit happening for me IRL from ~2003-2014ish, I completely missed the DVD commentary boat.
So, though technically I was sometimes (very sporadically) online during all that time, I mostly fell off the face of the planet/participatory/social fandom during that time because there simply wasn't enough time &/or energy &/or physical function/reserve (I was (finally) diagnosed with fibromyalgia after years of various -itis's at the beginning of that decade+, but I had previous RSI diagnoses & would subsequently get more over the years).
For some years during that decade+, I was lucky if I had the time/energy to pinch hit a time or two a year - although each time I could, it was pure, lovely escapism that I fully realized how much I needed/missed, while I was doing it. Participating in the social aspects of fandom on LJ & later DW was almost out of the question during that time - though I had participated fairly prolifically on various email discussion lists, like FORKNI-L, dueslash & Asylum during the 90s - due to RSIs by the time of LJ's golden age, I could either write fic or socialize online, but not both... & anyway socializing online on LJ or DW wasn't really possible when I could only do it once a week if I was lucky, or more like once or twice a month, much of the time. I simply couldn't keep up with the running, often in-depth discussions, tho I tried unsuccessfully, for a while... so I kind of dropped out.
OK: sorry for that TMI, but it's a long way of explaining why 1) I totally missed that DVD commentary era, & B. I have some objective distance from it that lends itself to analyzing it, maybe?
(Also, tho I'm not in SGA fandom at all - have seen maybe 4 eps total before kinda shrugging & not getting what all the fuss was about, apologies - I followed your link to the Cowboys fic & DVD commentary & lost most of my day to reading that fic, which was really, really good, despite my knowing very little about the fandom; it just read as a great sci-fi short story - thank you for that!)
The first thing that occurred to me, reading this post, is that the rise & fall of the DVD commentary seems parallel to the initial norm and then fall of the requirement/expectation of beta-ing. Whether that's merely correlational or causal, I'm not sure.
Also parallel to that same timeline is the drop in average age of fic-writing fen & fen in fandom spaces. Again, correlational or causal, I'm not sure; but this latter point may be more causal than the previously staunchly enforced requirement of beta-readers, tho it is probably causal to the fall of beta expectations.
Having missed the DVD commentaries era, of course I can't be sure of any of this. But I believe the loss of the requirement/expectation of betas parallels the fall of the DVD commentary because, up until the flood of youth onto the internet and fan spaces, online fandom was largely an avowedly adult space. (Warnings for minors were nonexistent in the 90s; minors simply weren't online, nor were they expected to be.)
And when I came into fandom via the Internet in the early 90s, it seemed initially largely populated by people from zine fandom. At that time, I & others in their 20s or college age (the early Internet wasn't available to consumers) who put together their own (now long dead) fannish web sites when HTML became a thing, & were subscribed to the existing fandom LISTSERVs - we were the young upstarts, and the existing expectation of beta reading was exactly that: a requirement for fic. (ftr I was/we were fine with this; it was a completely reasonable standard we all strove to uphold.)
As online fandom expanded in the late 90s/early 00s, and sites like LJ flourished (& then later soured), the social aspects of fandom expanded from the relative insularity of email discussion lists & fan cons. But it hadn't yet exploded exponentially & still had a fairly tight community feel. I think that's a key aspect of the DVD commentary era: the tight community aspects.
Though I haven't read many DVD commentaries, my sense is that the fen engaged in making them knew each other & knew the fic authors whose fics they commented on - maybe even beta-ed for them, if not on their DVD commented fics, then on others - or at least knew the authors from the fandom community.
I'm not certain of that - that's just a guess. But it seems unlikely, imo, that one would do DVD commentary on a fic whose author you didn't know at all. I could be totally wrong about that, tho. I'm too outside it to be certain.
But, online fandom being still somewhat of a bastion of old guard fen zine readers/writers (who themselves were often part of the .edu, .org & .gov nodes thru which most of us had, at least initially, access to the internet) at that time, that expectation of beta-ing still held... with only early glimmerings of tagging, (trigger) warnings, & concrit. (I'm still amazed at the lack of warnings on old 90s-era fanfic; categories like h/c were your warnings, if you were going to get any, heh.)
So I think the underpinnings of that fandom era - on the heels of zine fandom, firmly entrenched in online fandom with a relative older average fen age, on the cusp of the explosion of social media, but still largely ensconced on a few large fen sites like LJ, DW, major fic archives - ushered in a sort of "golden age" of fen discussion about fandom, about fics, and about reading & writing fic. imo, that led to the fic DVD commentary and its golden age.
Hell - I think some fen might consider that the golden age of fandom before it became nearly mainstream - before ComiCon had tens of thousands of attendees. I'm on the fence if I might be one of them (but then, I have too many historical personal obstacles that interfered with my later participation online to really be objective about that, I know - & I was never much of a con-goer).
If you think about it, these timelines also paralleled the "golden age of fic recs." I can't help but believe that those two golden ages are connected. I realize I'm describing multiple parallel "golden ages", but honestly, it's not nostalgia; it's just observation. & I've seen many younger fen wax wistful about missing that/those golden age(s), & lament the lack of a feel of community on the current plethora of platforms.
It seems to me that the splintering of fandom community from a few very large platforms, like LJ & DW, to a plethora of social media platforms, paralleled the massive explosion of/mainstreaming of fandom, its simultaneous lowering of the average age of fen, and the demise of fic DVD commentary.
I don't think the rise and fall of DVD commentary on fic is actually related to the technological existence of DVDs and their slowly being overtaken with streaming technology, because even though the latter has nearly eclipsed the former, we've also seen the rise of the "reaction vid" over the last decade or so.
And that may be a clue to the demise of DVD commentary on fics, too: that fen engagement with fandoms & fanworks went from largely text-based to embracing image- & video-based engagement. These also seem to parallel the rise of the smartphone, which significantly lowered the barriers to engagement in all media, whether the consumption of fanworks or the creation of them.
So, much as "video killed the radio star," maybe smartphones killed fic DVD commentary? Personally I find it much harder (& more physically painful) to engage in fanwork creation, than in consumption, via smartphone. & maybe that & all the other changes I've mentioned above increased the passivity of consumption of fanworks... & the distance from that sense of community, the safety of community, & that urge towards fic commentary.
(Also, as others have mentioned wrt concrit, ppl have become much more sensitive to criticism over the last 20 years of fandom... or maybe fen have lost patienc, or the desire to engage, with the idea that tolerating the discomfort of concrit is, for the most part, good for improving one's fic & writing?)
That being said, it's likely far more related to the influx of young fen throwing off the old guard's more meditative aspects of reading/writing/discussing fic, which (imo) having a beta (or 2, or 3) was part and parcel of. (I remember fic expectations of at least two betas; these days, it's delightful & sometimes remarkable if a fic had a beta at all... & I say that as one of those guilty of no-beta-ing!) Smartphones may be a part of all that, but I'm not sure if they were the driver.
(To be fair, the splintering of fandom community across many socmed platforms has also made it more difficult to just casually pop up & ask for a beta for a fic you're working on, especially if you aren't/can't be constantly active online in fen socmed spaces, so your request is essentially that of, & could easily be seen as, a stranger/interloper in an established community, albeit the same fandom. & given the threatening weirdness that ppl commit online these days, I totally get why that might be side-eyed. But if that reality is a barrier to seeking betas, maybe it's a barrier to DVD commentary, too?)
I never did a fic DVD commentary nor have I had any done of my fic. Nothing of mine's been podficced either, tho I'd welcome it (I've possibly not been clear about that in my profiles, tbh.) However - & this is maybe the great grandchild of DVD commentary - I have written & received some long, sometimes gushy (I mean that in the best way! I love to give & get gush, lol!) comments on fic - comments which excerpt the especially squee parts of a fic. So I don't think the spirit of fic DVD commentary is gone. I think it has, for lack of a better term, shapeshifted to fit fandom's platform splintering and sprawl.
No, AO3 is not fandom social media the way LJ/DW were/are... But fen still sometimes use it that way, & I've had full-on fic-comment conversations with total strangers who've left gushy comments or on whose fic I did the same. & while gushy long comments aren't exactly DVD commentary, I think they are part of it's extended family. If that makes sense.
From a personal perspective, even if I had been around for the golden age of fic DVD commentary, I'm not sure how OK I would've been with it. As an author, I think I would've felt quite flattered. Yet I know I would also have felt very vulnerable/exposed, & possibly extremely uncomfortable.
That's my personal baggage though. Thanks to a very dysfunctional childhood (including, aside from abuse & divide & conquer mind games played by one of my parents with me& all my siblings, superstitions about the evil eye drummed into me at a very young age, resulting in insults on the heels of almost every stranger's compliments or praise), I was never good at taking compliments (about anything - performance, appearance, etc), tho I've gotten better over the years (actually, years of positive comments on my fanfic have actually helped a lot with accepting compliments on my writing performance).
Acknowledging compliments/praise often seems like hubris; it's still hard not to expect something terrible to happen on the heels of praise; it still feels like tempting the Fates, like sticking your neck out only for it to get chopped off. Hence my discomfort with being the center of any attention.
But that's less and less true as the years/decades pass. (It is still in the back of my mind tho, every time: I'm not sure I want anyone to call the universe's attention to me or anything I've done.) I don't squirm with discomfort anymore, or have that knee jerk looking-over-my-shoulder thing I had when I was much younger.
As usual... Sorry for the verbosity.
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Date: 2025-08-11 01:29 pm (UTC)I disagree that acknowledging compliments/praise falls into the category of hubris. If someone pays a compliment, why not say the kind and polite thing? "Thank you." Someone took the time to write a note, so I find it more arrogant to ignore their effort. The discomfort with sitting at the center of attention seems fair, in general and as a personal feeling, but ignoring kindly meant words could also read as the opposite.
And as we used to say, FWIW and YMMV.
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Date: 2025-08-11 01:22 pm (UTC)DVD commentaries were almost always clearly invited if done by other people, and often really illustrative if done by the author. I learned a fair bit about writing just from synecdochic's Freedom commentary.
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Date: 2025-08-11 04:04 pm (UTC)I used to love them so much. Thanks for the links here. Will follow!
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Date: 2025-08-16 01:21 pm (UTC)Interstitial
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I've never made a DVD commentary myself, probably because the line-by-line thing is too much detail for me to remember. But I sometimes write up author notes about a fic: what inspired me, how it came together, bits of random trivia. They're posted on my Dreamwidth and not linked from the fic though.